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Aaron LaRoque
Posted 2013-09-17 10:48 AM (#16799)
Subject: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series


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The board has made several changes to the classes that will be made starting with the Winter series. They are as follows:

Kid Karts - Honda 50GX, the Comer 50 motor will be phased out over the next year. It will be allowed to run at the track through the Summer 2014 series, after that, it will not be allowed to race at PKRA. Trophies for kid karts will only be given for 1st through 3rd place.

Cadet Classes:
Micromax
4-Cycle Briggs L206
Minimax
Tag Cadet - Vortex Mini Rok

The Yamaha Rookie Sportsman, KPV, and Rookie Comer classes will no longer be PKRA classes. However, if racers show up with these motors to race, they will be allowed on track through the Summer 2014 series, after that, they will not be allowed to enter PKRA races.

Junior Classes:
Junior Rotax
4-Cycle, Jr. World Formula
Shifter Jr.

Adult Classes
Shifters
Tag Senior
Rotax Senior
World Formula
Senior Super Sportsman

The rules for each class will be updated shortly on the PKRA website. Whether a series is considered a championship series will be determined through the series on participation. If the series averages atleast 3 racers, then trophies will be given for the championship.

Edited by Aaron LaRoque 2013-09-17 10:50 AM
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Aaron LaRoque
Posted 2013-09-17 3:13 PM (#16801 - in reply to #16799)
Subject: RE: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series


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The classes have been changed on the classes link.
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Aaron LaRoque
Posted 2013-09-18 9:32 AM (#16803 - in reply to #16801)
Subject: RE: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series


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I have had one comment regarding the kid karts, and that they believe trophies (participation awards) should be handed out to all the kids who participate. I can see the benefit to that, kids love trophies and will keep them coming back. One option would be to give a participation trophy to every entrant at the trophy presentation, but still have 3 little bit bigger trophies with 1st through 3rd on them for the top 3 finishers.
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Mark Traylor
Posted 2013-09-18 9:38 AM (#16804 - in reply to #16799)
Subject: Re: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series




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I have some heart burn over limiting kid kart trophies to the top three. With the ages of these kids and it being a non competition class it is all about learning about kart racing and having some fun. The kids live for these little plastic trophies and it gets them excited about kart racing. A few trophies go a long way toward keeping kids excited and wanting to continue. Typically the top three will cover all the entries but on the occasions that there are more I think it is worth the expense.

The local BMX tracks hand out about 50-70 trophies per night two nights per week on a $10 entry fee. They buy trophy parts and assemble them themselves. Cost is about $1.50 each. They also do Trophy buy backs where they give the kids $.50 per trophy and recycle them. They are pretty generic, marble base with a plastic shiny tube topped with a BMX rider, first and second place get a taller tubes but the kids still love them.

Or there is the option of a medal on a ribbon. Also very inexpensive.
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Stewart Willis
Posted 2013-09-18 4:33 PM (#16806 - in reply to #16799)
Subject: Re: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series





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I dont believe that there are any kid karts left in Phx that race. But, I agree that a medal or something little should be given out to all kid karts.

Regarding the class structure... It looks like two new classes were added, World formula Junior and Lo206. What is the thinking here? Low cost entry to the sport? I think that this could bring fresh blood into the track. I do, however, have a problem with diluting the classes even more . Will those 4 cycles run with the Rotax Juniors? and the Lo206 with the Micros?
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Cliff Kujala
Posted 2013-09-19 1:36 PM (#16828 - in reply to #16799)
Subject: RE: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series



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Hi All,


The board is trying to get the club on the right path, and this starts with marketability and efficiency. Current club class structure makes it extremely hard to promote the organization, and it is impossible to write a race day schedule, because we don't know who will show up to race on any given day. It is true that two additional classes were added to the lineup, but this doesn't mean additional run groups. The board voted to approve the following race day run groups. Until the end of the Summer 2014 championship, any racer who enters with an engine not listed, will be mixed into an existing run group that most appropriately matches in terms of speed.

Group 1 - Kid Kart Honda GX50
Group 2 - Cadet 1 - MicroMax / L206 Cadet
Group 3 - Cadet 2 - MiniMax / TAG Cadet
Group 4 - Junior - Rotax Jr. / World Formula Jr.
Group 5 - Senior 1 - Sr. Sportsman / World Formula Sr.
Group 6 - Senior 2 - TAG Sr. / Rotax Sr.
Group 7 - Shifter - Stock Honda (395lbs) / Stock Honda Jr.

The group order shown above does not indicate placement during the race day. Every effort, based on pre-entries, will be made to avoid drivers/families running multiple groups from having back-to-back sessions, but this cannot be guaranteed for all situations. It was decided that a target of 20 entries be obtained prior to any class being split into Light/Heavy or Sr/Masters. A prior existing decision for MicroMAX to receive its own dedicated run group based on minimum 6 entries was overridden. For run groups that might likely face excessive lapped traffic during the longer main events, an option is reserved to split a run group out into a single class run groups for the main event only. This will vary based on lap counts and anticipated time differential between the mixed classes.

The board feels with set run groups, we will be able to work closely with the race operations team to provide our membership with a tighter, published race day schedule. It may take some fine tuning, but the hope is to have a working and set schedule posted the day prior to the event. To accomplish this, it may be necessary to close pre-entry a little sooner, but this is still to be determined.

If you feel an engine type not listed is worthy of being listed as a PKRA championship class, or you have concerns with the race groups as mixed, please direct those to directors@pkra.com.

Edited by Cliff Kujala 2013-09-19 1:41 PM
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Erica Odello
Posted 2013-09-19 6:35 PM (#16829 - in reply to #16799)
Subject: Re: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series





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Am I understanding this correctly that people who have raced as a master in TaG (and Rotax), either due to age or weight, will be competing directly against the seniors? And the weight requirement is 370 lb which is 5 lb more than TaG seniors has been previously (for Leopards)?

Edited by Erica Odello 2013-09-19 6:40 PM
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Curtis Ruth
Posted 2013-09-19 10:02 PM (#16832 - in reply to #16799)
Subject: Re: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series



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As the post says, You have until the summer of 2014 to come out with your friends to run. You will have plenty of time to figure out what direction things will go. Perhaps you could even persuade others to join in with you. .

Built it and they will come.

In a roundabout way, the bod is making a stand to get things sorted out to be able to focus a future. I feel it is a neccessary step to get the raceday class structure trimmed down and consolidated to benefit the racers that consistently show up.

Unfortunately, it is Show up, or Shut up.

We would be glad to see you guys at the race on this Saturday evening.
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Ted Tucholski
Posted 2013-09-20 6:03 AM (#16834 - in reply to #16832)
Subject: Re: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series


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So is the statement in RED an incorrect statement written by Aaron Larouqe. The Yamaha Rookie Sportsman, KPV, and Rookie Comer classes will no longer be PKRA classes. However, if racers show up with these motors to race, they will be allowed on track through the Summer 2014 series, after that, they will not be allowed to enter PKRA races.


Edited by Ted Tucholski 2013-09-20 6:05 AM
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Jim Wooldridge, Jr.
Posted 2013-09-21 8:40 AM (#16850 - in reply to #16799)
Subject: Re: Changes to classes run at PKRA for Winter series


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When the Winter 2014-15 season begins the goal is to have a set group of classes in each race group, the list at the beginning of the post (with the exception of TaG Masters, we expect to be adding the class back) is the focus. Participation by the Yamaha Rookie Sportsman, KPV, and Rookie Comer classes will determine if there is a class for them to race in the Winter 2014-15 season.

We don’t want to exclude any engine package, what we want to do is encourage racing which involves a large number of racers racing against each other, like the recent success of World Formula (I’ve personally parted out and sold two engine packages over the last two years so I had somebody to race against).

The board is listening and wants to hear your feedback and from what I’ve seen over the years if you want a competitive race group you need to come race with us and get your racing friends out there with you, all it takes is 5 or 6 racers in a class to start a trend and build a great class.

Jim Wooldridge, Jr
President PKRA
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