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Kolton Griffin
Posted 2013-05-06 3:04 PM (#16484)
Subject: Track Configuration Issues?


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Why is it that we never race the Full Track? Out of the 8 races of the season we have 3 full track races, Not only is that not enough but the way the Board scheduled them wasn't the best putting 2 at the beginning of the season and 1 at the very end. Why do we even run the Kid Kart configuration? 3 out of the last 4 races including this weekend will be the Kid Kart Configuration or the Short track. Its a complete waste of money and time. The configuration is for KID KARTS not 40 HP shifter karts, Tag, Rotax, ECT. Mixing it up a little bit is fine, but taking the full straightaway out is ridiculous. Ive been racing here for 10 years and never been so frustrated with the track. No one I know enjoys this configuration. It takes the fun out of it. I was looking forward to racing this weekend until I found out about the configuration, I personally don't enjoy racing under these circumstances. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. I hope the Board will consider the situation for future scheduling.
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Veerachart Murphy
Posted 2013-05-06 5:31 PM (#16485 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?



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Kolton, the full tracks were scheduled around Gatorz and SKUSA arrivals. Allowing for those karters to practice on the race config, as both those venues always run the full track. which in turn means revenue for the track. As for as the kid track goes, it's not our favorite either but it allows for a mix of configurations to be ran. And I am sure the RD will make up for the short distance with more lap count.
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Kolton Griffin
Posted 2013-05-06 5:50 PM (#16486 - in reply to #16485)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?


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I understand the mixture of configuration aspect. I don't understand why we even run the Kid Kart track and why it is so continuous. There's many other configurations we could run without cutting half of the track off. The main point is nobody likes this configuration and it is still used over and over again, you gain no revenue from this configuration. I understand the World Formulas and Kid Karts running the configuration but the faster classes shouldn't have to run this track. We never used to run it so why now?
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Veerachart Murphy
Posted 2013-05-06 8:10 PM (#16487 - in reply to #16486)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?



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I'm sure there are others like us that dont like this track, yes I said us because we don't either. But your the only person I've heard speak up about it. The BOD is here to serve the membership as a whole and if here were enough people that spoke up there would be something done about it.
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Bryan Casebolt
Posted 2013-05-06 8:51 PM (#16489 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?


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1. The race schedule is set by the Board of Directors.

2. The track layout is decided by the Race Director Team. Looking at the list of track layouts it can be seen that full track is run more than any other layout.
Full Track 3x
Two Straights 2x
Kid Kart Turn Full Track 2x
Short track 1x
Spring Series 2013
Race 1 January 20th Full Track CCW
Race 2 February 3rd Full Track CW
Race 3 February 24th Two Straights CCW
Race 4 March 17th Kid Kart (Full) Track CCW
Race 5 April 6th Two Straights CW First Saturday race of the season
Race 6 April 20th Short Track CW
Race 7 May 11th Kid Kart (Full) Track CW
Race 8 June 1st Full Track CW

3. Multiple members were unhappy with previous seasons that had a over concentration of Full Track or Two Straights.

4. Every track layout presents an opportunity to learn about kart setup and driving lines. Lap counts are increased on the shorter layouts.
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Stewart Willis
Posted 2013-05-07 9:08 AM (#16492 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?





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I hear what you are saying kolton. The kid kart track is fine, in fact Ideal, for World Formulas because of their narrow RPM range. But, it probably does prevent shifters like yourself from participating. The track is way too narrow in most places for many shifters to pass unless they are on the straights. By cutting off the straight for shifters I am guessing you will see a lot more aggressive passes... which will probably result in more kart damage..

Kolton, the kid kart track should be looked as a novelty, not a part of the main race configurations... It is way too short and narrow for modern two stroke karting.
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Rob Salthouse
Posted 2013-05-07 9:30 AM (#16493 - in reply to #16492)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?


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For the first 20(?) years of PKRAs existence the only track configuration was what is now called the "Kid Kart" configuration. The club was pretty successful even with only that choice. We had full fields, many different classes: shifters - 250, 125 and 80cc. Pipe and can class Yamaha and 4 cycles classes and direct drive Yamaha. Guys like Buddy Rice and Michael McDowell learned their craft on the "Kid Kart" track.

I'm glad to see it back in the line up.
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Rob Salthouse
Posted 2013-05-07 9:31 AM (#16494 - in reply to #16492)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?


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Sorry about the duplicate post!

For the first 20(?) years of PKRAs existence the only track configuration was what is now called the "Kid Kart" configuration. The club was pretty successful even with only that choice. We had full fields, many different classes: shifters - 250, 125 and 80cc. Pipe and can class Yamaha and 4 cycles classes and direct drive Yamaha. Guys like Buddy Rice and Michael McDowell learned their craft on the "Kid Kart" track. I'm glad to see it back in the line up.

Edited by Rob Salthouse 2013-05-07 9:34 AM
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Stewart Willis
Posted 2013-05-07 9:51 AM (#16495 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?





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I raced on Jamul and Amago in the 80's and 90's...both even smaller than PKRA... Todays karting is faster, with way more body work... Definitely safer... But, I did say "Modern Karting" .. When you run the shorter course, you run a much narrower RPM range. Definitely not comfortable... But, shifters even complain about Adams in Riverside... a tighter, more technical, but wider track than PKRA... So, it is hard to make a perfect layout for all kart types...
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Bernie Lacotta
Posted 2013-05-07 10:27 AM (#16496 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?


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I've raced at Adams, Fontana, Grange, Tri Cities (Wa.),Monterey, at all of those tracks we (WF) run a 4.00 or lower gear ratio. Even on the kid track at PKRA we run a higher gear ratio (3.80). PKRA has an exceptionally long straight, not a typical kart course in my opinion. The long straight is perfect for shifters ( both of them) but hinders the performance of EVERY non shifter class because of the relatively high gear ratio required. A bus stop on the back straight would be perfect!!!
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Benn Herr
Posted 2013-05-07 1:05 PM (#16497 - in reply to #16484)
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Aww, come on Bernie! You know you can't have any fun until you start running ratios in the 3.0 to 3.3 range. I have to figure out what we're going to run at the Tri-C race on the Fontana infield. 2200 foot straights but the corners don't look that fast. Hmmm...

On another note, what gears did you guys run in the Endurance race at Bondaraunt last year? Want to make sure we have it covered.
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Stewart Willis
Posted 2013-05-07 1:43 PM (#16498 - in reply to #16496)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?





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Bernie Lacotta - 2013-05-07 10:27 AM I've raced at Adams, Fontana, Grange, Tri Cities (Wa.),Monterey, at all of those tracks we (WF) run a 4.00 or lower gear ratio. Even on the kid track at PKRA we run a higher gear ratio (3.80). PKRA has an exceptionally long straight, not a typical kart course in my opinion. The long straight is perfect for shifters ( both of them) but hinders the performance of EVERY non shifter class because of the relatively high gear ratio required. A bus stop on the back straight would be perfect!!!

I dont know that the long straight hinders anything other than the world formula. I think it is fine for all two cycle race engines. PKRA is definitely not ideal for WF.  But, I do agree that a bus stop near the kink would create a more balanced gear ratio that would make the track more aggressive.

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Bernie Lacotta
Posted 2013-05-07 4:45 PM (#16499 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?


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Benn, I can't remember what ratio we ran. I was just thinking of that myself today. Trying to finalize June 22nd as the date.
Stewart, if the back straight wasn't as long the non-shifter 2 cycles could run a lower gear ratio and accelerate with a tad more zest. I realize they are not as affected as the 4 cycle but quicker acceleration is always a plus to the racing experience.

Edited by Bernie Lacotta 2013-05-07 4:50 PM
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Stewart Willis
Posted 2013-05-08 2:53 PM (#16500 - in reply to #16499)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?





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Bernie,
I understand being able to accelerate with more zest. But, gear ratios often make up for bad driving. I personally think that running track configurations with short straights and big rear sprockets dont teach drivers to carry their speed.
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Veerachart Murphy
Posted 2013-05-08 4:11 PM (#16501 - in reply to #16500)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?



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I dont disagree Stewart but neither does a super long straight and a track with less corners
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Stewart Willis
Posted 2013-05-08 4:37 PM (#16502 - in reply to #16501)
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hmmmm.. Maybe I am missing something. But, it seems to me that you are cutting corners out by going the kid kart route... In both directions, It eliminates a major braking and passing opportunity. Its been a long day. So, maybe my brain just isnt working.
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Bernie Lacotta
Posted 2013-05-08 5:47 PM (#16503 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?


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There are two undeniable truths here: 1. variety is the spice of life, 2. the track is the same for all competitors. Enjoy life!
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Kolton Griffin
Posted 2013-05-08 7:19 PM (#16504 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?


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Your right variety is the spice of life, that's why we are racing Cal Speed next weekend instead of PKRA.
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Jeremiah Davis
Posted 2013-05-09 9:02 PM (#16507 - in reply to #16484)
Subject: Re: Track Configuration Issues?



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